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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself Ian as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports this Halloween

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will not be the same as previous

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Halloween's our leader Brad stager is no

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longer with us to share the joy and the

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trick-or-treating of a day we love so

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much as spooky and haunting as it may be

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for Brad passed away on May the 6th 2018

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he will be missed by his legion of fans

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but we can remember him just the same by

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reading one of his books one of the 200

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that he wrote over the course of almost

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50 years that sold 218 million fans

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worldwide so Brad we know you're looking

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down on us

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and we know you will still enjoy

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Halloween wherever you are and so fans

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continue to trick-or-treat and Brad

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keep well and alive wherever you are is

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some other heavenly realm and they're

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all around me look at all these zombies

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hey some of them are pretty cute

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I can't I can't get out of here I've

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always trapped in some sort of

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supernatural void some other dimension

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well beyond space and time and my own

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thought pattern here but we're going to

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have a great ghoulish guest on and it's

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approaching that time of the year fall

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is settling in the big pumpkin is on the

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Lord the bottle of [\h__\h] is stuck in my

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shirt pocket and we're going to be

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celebrating isn't that right Tim yes

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that's right I'm very looking for an

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offering of flesh and blood from you

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tonight well I almost gave it to him

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this week I'll tell you that you're dead

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but we're we're safe and sound and as

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grounded as we could possibly be but I

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know at least one of our guests this

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evening a very attractive talented lady

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is known to be lifted up into the air

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though I don't know if by necessarily by

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supernatural forces so Tim what have you

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been up to how are you getting prepared

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for the day well Tim first of all

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welcome back to the show we missed you

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last week

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well darn right see that and I missed

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the sexy saucer people

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that's right Live Nude aliens word only

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on exploring the bizarre Tibet it's not

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a video well I'd like you like you said

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we're we're getting ready for Halloween

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around here of course now you know we

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had our Halloween campout a couple of

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weeks ago and you know for anybody

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curious they can always see my picture

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from on skype or on my Facebook account

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that was my award-winning Halloween

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costume what do you do doing a Halloween

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camp out there is a pretty large

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campground near us it's it's called Lake

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Rudolph and every October every weekend

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in October they have a big Halloween

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party people will come in and they'll

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they'll set up big haunted houses but

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some of them spend thousands of dollars

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on these very elaborate haunted houses

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and then you know we take the kids so

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the kids can go trick-or-treating and

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then of course the adults you know like

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to join in and you know we have our

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costumes as well sometimes I think we

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adults have have more fun with this and

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the kids too but as long as it gets get

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candy they're happy well you know of

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course the big Halloween parade that

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coming up on Halloween Eve and that

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attracts thousands of people with

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probably some of the most elaborate

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costumes you will ever possibly imagine

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or see this side of the Milky Way I'd

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sometime well don't you remember though

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in one of our films I believe is blood

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sucking vampire freaks it opens with the

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parade the marchers going down the

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street well yes of course I remember

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that I should remember

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anyway enough of our chat about

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Halloween at least for the moment

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why don't you tell everyone who we are

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honored to have with us this evening

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well yes well let's let's start out with

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Samantha Scarlett now Samantha is an

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alternative rock singer-songwriter and

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she's the host of blackout on Adobe am i

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pronouncing that right as a man that I

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do B radio B Adobe radio there you go

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and the owner of MK ULTRA nightie

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clothing and she's also an alternative

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model now Samantha currently has two

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albums out into the darkness

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EP and demos produced by Justin Salter

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and violent delights and violent ends

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and she's quite right I think in fact

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we're going to be hearing you some clips

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from these productions yes

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I hope so and now esqueleto has already

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had already had an avid fascination with

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the paranormal conspiracies etc in 2015

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she started a youtube podcast with a

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friend dedicated to these topics and she

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let her went on to host I want to

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believe with Samantha Scarlett O for

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energy rock radio in 2016

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now she currently lives in New York City

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with her pet Yorkie and her hobbies

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include listening to vinyls of 90 rock

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albums alright for you

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meals at the Plaza body suspension

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visiting art museums listening to old

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Art Bell interviews on YouTube and

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watching silent films filmmaking yoga

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meditation and thickness so Samantha

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welcome to exploring the bazaar and of

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course let's not forget we also have

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with us tonight Brad Steiger our very

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good and and and dear friend Brad has

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been publishing stories and articles

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mystery and the paranormal since oh my

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gosh I think forever he's written for

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such magazines such as Alfred

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Hitchcock's the st. fantastic fate

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magazine you know he he actually wrote a

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if anybody out there remembers

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newspapers called the strange world of

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Brad Steiger now he also wrote a

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best-selling biography of the silent

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screen lover Valentino which was made

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into a motion picture by British

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director Kim Russell and I'll tell you

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something Brad I mean to have Kevin

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Russell make a movie based on your book

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you know I could die happy right then

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they're mentioned the word death well

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and of course rad is the author of so

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many books that we would it would take

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us the entire show Tim to name them all

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off of course some of them are

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conspiracies and secret societies secret

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societies the complete dossier or the

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werewolf book the encyclopedia of

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shape-shifting beings and of course the

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Philadelphia Experiment and other UFO

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conspiracies which I think that was

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published by you know some some

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publishing company I can't remember the

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name of it and a real ghost lesser

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spirits and haunted places there they're

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recently and in real monsters gruesome

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creature creatures and beasts from the

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dark side that's just a few of the many

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books of Brad's Tigers so Brad Samantha

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welcome to exploring the bizarre thank

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into all of this I I mean okay - singing

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suspension well what did you give us a

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little bit about your your background

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how did you become a so oriented into

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the well the dark side the Cobb the the

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occult how would you describe yourself

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and in ten easy words I don't know ten

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words because tonight I'm not really on

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my A game because I'm not feeling well

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but um I don't know I really am not so

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much into the darkness

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people think I mean like I love dark

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aesthetics like Victorian interiors and

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dressing in black not so much like goth

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like you won't really catch me and like

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one of those long dresses that like you

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bell but I guess it was before that I

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so called so weird that was kind of like

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x-files for kids and then I liked

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watching those like most haunted

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scariest places on earth MTV fear that

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were like the shows where the people

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went into supposedly haunted locations

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and like did like like challenges which

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was they really looking back those shows

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hunting there was a very little actual

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haunting activity on those but got me

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really interested in that subject and I

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always I could always had insomnia and I

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would like listening to art Bell every

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night since I was like 11 so it just got

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me really hooked on that and then I love

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rock music so it all kind of just goes

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hand in hand and and what did you well

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what would you would you consider what

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would be your main if you had have one

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select one what would you consider to be

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your main profession um I honestly I

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don't know cuz I mean the music's always

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been more of my identity but this point

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I probably do more radio because music

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and it's kind of there and no place to

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play rock and roll in New York I'll tell

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you that yeah it's it's it's a I mean

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hipster stuff but as far as trying to

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have a mainstream music career it's kind

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of that ship has pretty much sailed but

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yeah so I guess now it's pretty much

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radio well IIIi tell you I enjoyed

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cuts that you had up there on YouTube

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it's kind of the the music that I'm into

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and I've always enjoyed female female

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rock musicians I mean Bonnie Parker I

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Judas Priest this it you know just bands

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I guess because God has always felt that

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they were more superior when it came to

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playing a you know guitar or performing

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certainly nobody's more a better guitar

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player than Lita Ford you know or

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whatever so Joan Jett and and so I said

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well man you know this this gal seems to

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have a lot going for so do you write

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your own music or I do i I've always

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written my own music because I just I

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think I feel like it's cheating if you

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have somebody else write it so I I'm a

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terrible guitarist but I write my music

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on the guitar I do write the music and

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then when I go into the studio except

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well actually on my older stuff I

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actually did play guitar on some of the

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older tracks like on the song iron made

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I played the synthesizer on the demon I

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played the lead guitar and I guess like

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all that pretty much 90% on that song as

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2013 I haven't played on my my

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recordings just because it's easier to

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go into a studio just for like time

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constraint to have somebody else play

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the stuff and it sounds better because

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I'm just like not that great of

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guitarist but I do write everything and

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then like whoever I'm working with as a

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producer they'll usually tweak it or

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like add in like a guitar solo or

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whatever though the guitar solo on page

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six I wrote I just didn't play it on the

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album hey you know I'm thinking now

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maybe we could put in a little bit of

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music at this point so listeners can

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kind of get an idea of where you're

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you're coming from are we tuned up over

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there I wonder in the engineering

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department I don't know our producer

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said that she'll play a few of Samantha

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cuts from Samantha's song at the bottom

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of the hour break so the power of the

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hour yeah oh man we may have may have to

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wait we may have to wait until that and

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so right now right now you know Tina I

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could just say oh she's scrambling at

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her board and spittle flying from her

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mouth as she is

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is quietly cursing this out I'm pretty

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much a purist as far as trying to do

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what I actually like and like so I write

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all my stuff

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I've had people like a year ago I had

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this guy who's some music manager

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approached me and he was like oh I think

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you could have a great career in rock I

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want you to spend XYZ amount for like

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different stuff and I want you to hire

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me to co-write your music and I want you

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into a completely different genre of

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rock it's one that I don't like and

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we'll say that as far as the co-write it

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was like that this guy would write the

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music and the lyrics and I could put

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input on the second verse and I was just

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like no I'm not gonna like lie and put

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my name on something I didn't write and

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I'm not going to play a genre of rock

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that I don't like so I'd rather like not

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make musics and do that did you ever see

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a one of my favorite New Yorker pants

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was a cycle [\h__\h] no I don't really go

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that's the thing I'm not something that

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actually goes Sly Cooper music like the

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last concert I went to I went to

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something last night that was something

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I would never go there I had like a

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guest list but the last concert like I

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went willingly to was Billy Corgan

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played in Brooklyn about two weeks ago

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acoustic and it was amazing very good

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well tell us a little bit something

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about the the suspension everybody's

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curious about that yeah so I got

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something I saw like 10 years ago maybe

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longer on the Travel Channel and I

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thought it was absolutely crazy and like

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something I would never do and then

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after I moved to New York I like saw

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people who's friends with on Facebook

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post videos or pictures doing it I just

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thought that was like I still thought it

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was really crazy but I like read up on

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it more and I just found it I found it

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like interesting like I had kind of

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fascination with it but it was still

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something I would never do a man in May

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of 2015 I went to see Jane's Addiction

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and they have like girls that do that at

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their concerts and the girls look like

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they were having a really good time and

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I was like I want to try that and so

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then I kind of got like this bug but I

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had to try it

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so I spent literally a year researching

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different people that did it like I

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asked for like referrals who to go with

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who is reputable because obviously I'm

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not just gonna let any random person put

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hooks in my back and then

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like talk to different people on the

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suspension forum on Facebook and ask

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them about their experience with it like

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what it means them how did it feel that

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was painful

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what did they get out of it etc and I so

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then like a year a little bit over a

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year later in August 2015 or 2016

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I did I did my first suspension on Long

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Island with Sarah Scotty from white flag

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suspension and I really enjoyed it it

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was really cool I didn't have the

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religious experience that a lot of

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people talk about cuz a lot of people

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claim it's like a religious thing I

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guess I guess native Native American

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cultures yes they did the suspension

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kind of a rite of passage into derive

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from the Oh keep ah my figure which

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tribe that is and then the there it's

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not like there's different I guess like

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tribes for the co tribe it's part of the

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Sioux tribes Sundance ceremony is and is

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the suspension but there's a little bit

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different cuz it was like wood sticks I

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think that they were animal bones they

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stuck under the skin and the point of it

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was for the men it was only men for them

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to like to suspend until it literally

389
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ripped out the flesh III have to say I

390
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admire you there for your bravery as far

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as this goes when I I was in the

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hospital this week they rolled in this

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big computerized device and it started

394
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giving me a little electric shock

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treatment up and down my arms and my

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legs to see if the you know there's any

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problems with the muscular response and

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then another doctor came in and started

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putting needles under my skin and

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still for 20 minutes yes Iren eyes Cody

401
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invited me to participate in the sendin

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ceremony but I respectfully declined

403
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when I saw

404
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as as she just told us you know it goes

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through your pectorals and you hang

406
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there until the flesh rips yeah let's -

407
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man yeah that is too much and at the

408
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time I was an avid weightlifter and if I

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say so myself I had really terrific pecs

410
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and I thought I would hang there for a

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week because I actually at least not

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with the the body mod version I don't

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know it's Native American I think it's

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very dangerous because it can yes but

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but of course they do it you know on the

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surface but it's really quite a ceremony

417
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well yeah

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people watching the YouTube edition of

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this will get to see a clip from mo

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Samantha's video on what she's

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suspension which was this summer when

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she was excuse me when she was talking

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about suspension I was trying to

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visualize a young woman that

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participating and I thought it has to be

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a variation of the Native American

427
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ceremony well I did it through my back

428
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the first time I did it it was two hooks

429
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in my back the second time did you it

430
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was four hooks do my back and the first

431
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time I only stayed up for about 10

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minutes because it was I was outside it

433
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was August it was like a hundred degrees

434
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out on Long Island but the second time I

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did it at a tattoo convention and I seat

436
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up for like 45 minutes I could have

437
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stayed up a little more I had to come

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down because they had something planned

439
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it was going on like I think they were

440
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giving out awards for the tattoos or

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whatever but it's it's honestly not

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painful everyone thinks it's paint gonna

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be painful I know there are other areas

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of the body that like the resurrection

445
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which is right under the breast and if

446
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that is very painful but um for the the

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back which is called a suicide

448
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suspension it's really not painful like

449
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once the hooks go in your endorphins

450
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kick in and it's just kind of like a

451
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rush and you're kind of like very hot

452
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like happy and giddy though however like

453
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about six hours after it you

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start to feel pain the first time it was

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really an horrible like worst pain I was

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ever in the second time it really wasn't

457
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that bad it's just you know you don't

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want to really do anything

459
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constantly bag my dad Blake tries to

460
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threaten me like okay well you're not

461
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all you want is a suspension bar so what

462
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the hooks on a nightstand in my bedroom

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[Laughter]

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underground club in the village many

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many years ago and there were I guess

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those strippers and dancers and all and

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they were bare to the bone and sticking

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each other with the you know these

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needles and putting and you'd like the

470
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skewers yeah yeah there are some people

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that do that in their burlesque acts and

472
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stuff yeah it looks really good that is

473
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not for me I would never do some of them

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even light up yeah that's too much

475
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you gotta get you gotta get a little bit

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of color into your act they're you know

477
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black a blue just won't do it by

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yourself yeah I draw a line and I would

479
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only ever do my back I think just

480
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because I don't like scars and now I

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have the scars on my back but I just

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don't care cuz I don't really see my

483
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back but as for anything else no I

484
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wouldn't I would never do the chest or

485
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the knees or any of that well I hear I

486
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hear the man up in the sky is calling

487
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and we're having our first little break

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here and then we will be back in just

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

492
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Princeton

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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well I once I want a seat in the VIP

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section as close to the stage as

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possible Samantha so what was his name

498
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of the cut we were listening to that was

499
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paid sex and do you have a website that

500
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features your music

501
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um yeah everything like whether it's my

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music my clothing why my radio show it's

503
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all on Samantha Scarlett calm and

504
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scarlet spell SC AR le tte I spelled it

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that way for Google purposes well there

506
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you go

507
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well wonderful we'll come back later on

508
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and we'll play a another another tune

509
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and like I said well as some of this

510
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will be in our YouTube edition which

511
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Peter will be working on and it will be

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up shortly one would hope so brother

513
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Brad what's going on out there in Iowa

514
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well would you believe we're getting our

515
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first no tonight I love the snow the

516
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snow in Iowa especially with you in

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Cherie

518
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we went out singing Christmas carols and

519
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I almost slid right across the lake that

520
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was it was freezing cold well that was a

521
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warm day we went looking for we went

522
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looking for the little I guess monument

523
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that had been left in tribute to the Big

524
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Bopper and all the others that had gone

525
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down in that a terrible buddy Harlan

526
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Buddy Holly yeah that terribly Valens

527
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yeah we never we never did find it

528
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:20,850
though because we couldn't quite get

529
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over the barbed wire fence know that

530
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:26,360
they haven't much more accessible now

531
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,460
well it should be it is the only Airport

532
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:31,260
that I've ever seen that actually has a

533
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,980
thing about you know an air crash I mean

534
00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:36,000
most of them one of

535
00:27:40,550 --> 00:27:38,340
cover that up and keep it well tucked

536
00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:40,560
away but there's a little plaque outside

537
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the the airport and a tourist who come

538
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and and the the hall where the hit games

539
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earliest performance is still giving

540
00:27:59,840 --> 00:27:55,820
shows there oh and yeah I mean that's

541
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perpetually and I mean all the big names

542
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:02,490
in the music business they they come

543
00:28:09,530 --> 00:28:05,730
there as if it's a you know a sacred

544
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:09,540
place to do homage so we have the top

545
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:13,380
groups to come and then every year at

546
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:16,260
the time and they either at the end of

547
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:19,560
January first part of February there's a

548
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:22,380
whole Buddy Holly festival they come

549
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:27,950
from all over we lost one of our

550
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:32,460
favorite musicians from the 1950s and

551
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:35,610
60s just a couple of days ago

552
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:40,860
mr. Fallon oh right I remember I I found

553
00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:45,090
my thrill on Blueberry walking to New

554
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:49,590
Orleans and a great musician and a

555
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,330
talented individual and a very humble

556
00:28:58,580 --> 00:28:56,640
gentleman to say the least and of course

557
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:58,590
we thought we had lost him during

558
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:01,620
Katrina because he had kind of just he

559
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:04,500
had asthma real bad and nobody had heard

560
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:06,810
from him and they finally found him he

561
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,720
was at home and of course the the place

562
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:11,580
that he he owned there was kind of an

563
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:14,400
inn in shambles but he did survive and

564
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:16,260
he continued to perform for a number of

565
00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:18,450
years and was one of the first of the

566
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:22,520
fees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

567
00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:28,740
so uh sat another great loss although

568
00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:35,160
they the mystique of the tribute the

569
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:37,800
area which is you know remember there's

570
00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:39,570
a lot of snow that that kind of

571
00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:41,670
prevented us from finding Lee the

572
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:44,790
monument to so at anyways we had a

573
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:48,750
delivery and fellow said you know I've

574
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:49,530
been

575
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:53,820
Ben as he's unloading the massage chair

576
00:30:01,160 --> 00:29:57,210
that we we bought very low chair and he

577
00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:01,170
said so he says I've really busted but

578
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:04,760
getting here because I want to have time

579
00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:08,100
without getting behind my schedule to

580
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:11,430
stop and pay my tribute at Buddy Holly's

581
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:14,970
grave and he was probably well he said

582
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:17,310
he'd been a sailor he'd been a policeman

583
00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:21,120
and he had to be you in his mid-60s

584
00:30:26,780 --> 00:30:24,630
anyway but he he was he wanted to go out

585
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:26,790
there and I said well I gave him

586
00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:29,130
directions and I said I hope you have

587
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:31,680
better luck than a buddy of mine is

588
00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:34,710
different Christmas but sherry said one

589
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:37,230
thing she wanted you to know is that

590
00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:39,930
tonight we're not going to sing sing

591
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:46,830
Christmas carols good good well we have

592
00:30:54,530 --> 00:30:49,620
another singer on tonight so we listened

593
00:31:03,910 --> 00:30:54,540
to another person well I was gonna say

594
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:03,920
maybe maybe you could sing Halloween I

595
00:31:08,270 --> 00:31:06,840
was like feeling my normal self I

596
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:08,280
wouldn't have a problem with it not so

597
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:14,010
much no we'll get we'll get read and

598
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,780
that's pretty good there Brad well I

599
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:37,710
think you know one of the reasons that

600
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:42,090
that we're here tonight is that you know

601
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:47,100
hopefully we can talk about some of our

602
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:51,990
favorite scary stories you know whether

603
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:55,710
or not they actually they happen to us

604
00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:58,980
or if you know maybe somebody told you

605
00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:01,710
you know they're scary story that just

606
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:03,220
you know absolutely

607
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:06,750
florid you you know I mean hey I think

608
00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:10,210
everybody has something at least once in

609
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:12,670
their life that probably scared the hell

610
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:15,250
out of them that they they either can't

611
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:19,320
explain or don't want to try to explain

612
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:23,020
and hopefully when Tim Beckley comes

613
00:32:27,390 --> 00:32:25,030
back you know he'll have some foreigners

614
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:27,400
for us because he always has you know

615
00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:29,170
there's just some great stories but

616
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:31,060
we'll start with you Brad I mean you

617
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:34,510
know I mean you've you've you've been

618
00:32:42,570 --> 00:32:39,970
around the block a few times and and and

619
00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:42,580
you know you're not Ju you've never been

620
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:44,950
you know just an armchair writer I mean

621
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:47,380
I know that you you know you've been out

622
00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:50,170
there you know in the field and and and

623
00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:52,420
you know seen some things yourself I

624
00:32:58,650 --> 00:32:56,500
mean so I mean out of all the stuff that

625
00:32:59,970 --> 00:32:58,660
you have experienced what would you say

626
00:33:02,580 --> 00:32:59,980
would be the one thing that just you

627
00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:02,590
know right now just stands out in your

628
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:04,360
in your mind is this you know being

629
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:07,720
something that you know just scared the

630
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:13,960
hell out of you well it took a while for

631
00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:15,810
the hell they're scared out of it

632
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:19,240
because I I think you know you know that

633
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:21,450
I grew up in the haunted house

634
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:25,710
it had been the old stagecoach stop and

635
00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:30,430
as my sister and I would would say as we

636
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:33,700
would see entities walking through at

637
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:35,350
night there must have been a lot of

638
00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:39,100
people who missed the stage because the

639
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:41,020
passengers some of them are still

640
00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:45,310
roaming around so but the end of it was

641
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:47,680
after well you know sometimes you got

642
00:33:55,650 --> 00:33:51,190
startled sometimes you know and the

643
00:33:58,350 --> 00:33:55,660
haunting increased as we got older I

644
00:34:01,800 --> 00:33:58,360
know I've read I've reflected on this

645
00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:01,810
many times because when we were small

646
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:05,080
they just kind of walked through the

647
00:34:10,770 --> 00:34:07,990
bedrooms and so forth now the only time

648
00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:10,780
you really felt a shiver is when they

649
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,780
stopped and made eye contact with you

650
00:34:18,609 --> 00:34:15,919
then you fell

651
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:18,619
was connected with a Muslim just walked

652
00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:23,030
through and my my mother who could have

653
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:25,190
been a medium if she had chosen or maybe

654
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:28,609
maybe she was and and I didn't realize

655
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:32,720
that how much but she would communicate

656
00:34:38,919 --> 00:34:35,750
with one of the female goes and this

657
00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:38,929
ghost gave a lot of information because

658
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:41,149
you know we had converted the stage

659
00:34:50,859 --> 00:34:46,750
go-stop into a farm home and so she this

660
00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:50,869
being this ghost would tell mom you know

661
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:53,750
to advise my father you know that a big

662
00:34:59,410 --> 00:34:57,049
storm was coming or you know it was time

663
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,420
to get in you know don't hesitate any

664
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:02,240
longer and really you know I look back

665
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:05,180
really pragmatic advice you know that

666
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:10,430
that was worthy of listening to as the

667
00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:14,630
as we grew older then the thumps and the

668
00:35:21,069 --> 00:35:17,900
bumps and the crashes and the moving of

669
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:21,079
furniture and and so forth that really

670
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:24,700
would especially if if you're home alone

671
00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:28,730
and suddenly things began moving and and

672
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:31,190
you know pounding the walls and so forth

673
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:34,510
but would you know I I was never that

674
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:39,740
steel hearted but I never felt that I

675
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:44,960
would be harmed so it wasn't until many

676
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:49,130
many years later that investigating a

677
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:55,730
home in in Nebraska and it was at one

678
00:36:02,740 --> 00:35:57,770
time in a mansion kind of on the old

679
00:36:04,539 --> 00:36:02,750
trail out west and lots of things were

680
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,549
happening there and none of them

681
00:36:09,849 --> 00:36:07,520
particularly pleasant blood would flow

682
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:09,859
from the basement walls from time to

683
00:36:14,799 --> 00:36:12,260
time and and they're really course

684
00:36:21,099 --> 00:36:14,809
looking entities were seen that that

685
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,109
frightened all the family blood flew

686
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:24,079
from the blood was coming out of the

687
00:36:27,609 --> 00:36:26,210
basement walls like did you ever do

688
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:27,619
pictures of this did you ever get

689
00:36:33,849 --> 00:36:30,280
samples of it like that's insane

690
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:33,859
well the thing that had happened you see

691
00:36:42,970 --> 00:36:38,210
is it had sat empty for time as you

692
00:36:46,569 --> 00:36:42,980
might suppose and a number of bodies

693
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:46,579
were found in in the basement in which

694
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:51,250
they had been morton murdered horribly

695
00:36:57,460 --> 00:36:54,920
throat slit and so forth and that may

696
00:37:00,549 --> 00:36:57,470
that may have been psychically the

697
00:37:03,279 --> 00:37:00,559
reason for the blood now we never took

698
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:03,289
samples because this was just reported

699
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:05,990
to it by the individuals but we did have

700
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:08,510
record of the murders that had been

701
00:37:14,319 --> 00:37:10,910
found there when the place is that empty

702
00:37:17,950 --> 00:37:14,329
no no is that the famous place where

703
00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:17,960
they would actually have liked salesmen

704
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,390
and travelers stay overnight and then

705
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:22,640
they would mysteriously kind of vanish

706
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:29,510
or disappear no that was another one but

707
00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:32,230
in this particular case

708
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:35,329
Irene Hughes the very famous medium whom

709
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,250
some people will recognize her name

710
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:39,440
she's no longer with us on the earth

711
00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:43,130
plane but she was she and I were in a

712
00:37:49,329 --> 00:37:47,240
closet closet area and she was picking

713
00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:49,339
up impressions and I was recording them

714
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:53,420
and the door kept trying to close now I

715
00:37:59,260 --> 00:37:55,730
don't know if you I think you made a bet

716
00:38:02,769 --> 00:37:59,270
my friend Glenn Glenn McWane at one time

717
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:02,779
Tim he was he was a former Green Beret

718
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:06,049
and you know I always loved having him

719
00:38:12,339 --> 00:38:09,640
with me and and there were a number of

720
00:38:14,980 --> 00:38:12,349
newspaper people there recording you

721
00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:14,990
know what what is the ghost hunter and

722
00:38:19,569 --> 00:38:17,630
the medium going to find and so forth so

723
00:38:22,299 --> 00:38:19,579
everyone was taking notes and watching

724
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:22,309
us move around and we were as I said

725
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:24,049
recording and the door kept trying to

726
00:38:29,410 --> 00:38:25,880
close on us and it was really difficult

727
00:38:34,059 --> 00:38:29,420
because this was really a rough roughly

728
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:34,069
porn cement basement floor and it really

729
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:37,130
the door had to kind of push itself over

730
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:42,680
some risings in cement so I got when we

731
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,430
left

732
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:46,880
I said okay the blankety-blank thing

733
00:38:56,109 --> 00:38:50,180
wants the door closed close it and lock

734
00:38:59,319 --> 00:38:56,119
it and I realized too late that this was

735
00:39:01,470 --> 00:38:59,329
not just a haunting there was an

736
00:39:04,589 --> 00:39:01,480
intelligence involved here and

737
00:39:09,069 --> 00:39:04,599
intelligence that I could make angry and

738
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:09,079
we no longer had got upstairs when the

739
00:39:15,609 --> 00:39:13,010
door we heard it this shatter as it was

740
00:39:18,220 --> 00:39:15,619
ripped from the hinges then we heard

741
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:18,230
boom boom boom coming up the steps and

742
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:21,050
all six of us investigators and

743
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:23,569
newspaper people were lifted into the

744
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:26,569
air and then dropped wait a minute wait

745
00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:30,770
a minute to you yeah you will lift it

746
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:33,230
into the air well they don't have that

747
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:40,400
suspension thankfully we did not stay

748
00:39:52,809 --> 00:39:48,680
very long well Tim said he Wanda scary

749
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:52,819
ones no that's a good scary one and I

750
00:39:57,099 --> 00:39:55,430
mean okay when you were lifted up I

751
00:40:02,289 --> 00:39:57,109
don't know yeah matter of seconds I

752
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:02,299
guess did you feel weightless or gut I

753
00:40:08,819 --> 00:40:04,910
felt amazed I found some basil and I

754
00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:08,829
felt amazement because I had to revise

755
00:40:16,359 --> 00:40:13,460
because I had written at that time at

756
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:16,369
least two or three books on ghosts yes

757
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:20,650
and I had presented a theory that

758
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:24,640
largely what we're talking about is a

759
00:40:34,059 --> 00:40:30,020
residual element that just as a film is

760
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:34,069
somehow impressed right it can be played

761
00:40:40,359 --> 00:40:36,770
back by people of the proper psychic

762
00:40:43,299 --> 00:40:40,369
affinity and if you go into a bedroom or

763
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:43,309
someone poor person maybe had died in

764
00:40:49,329 --> 00:40:46,220
anguish death or the disease and this

765
00:40:52,059 --> 00:40:49,339
had lasted a while you almost can feel

766
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:52,069
you know the the type of anguish still

767
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:54,260
somehow impressed in that environment

768
00:40:59,920 --> 00:40:57,110
and I felt that this would really

769
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,930
for the majority I mean we went to this

770
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:02,480
you know this is way back in the 60s of

771
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:06,800
it and we went to you know hippie houses

772
00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:09,310
and and so forth where they had

773
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:11,720
manifestations occurring and you can

774
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:14,900
think of all kinds of reasons why they

775
00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:17,210
were seeing apparitions and so forth

776
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:20,660
some of it may have been fueled by by

777
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:22,940
other elements that were imbibed but at

778
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:26,330
any rate the group mind of these people

779
00:41:31,390 --> 00:41:29,510
in that particular home it would create

780
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:31,400
these kind of entities that we could

781
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:34,850
dissolve it with with a kind of an

782
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:37,520
exorcism not the formal Roman Catholic

783
00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:40,430
sort and so forth but just banishing you

784
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:42,830
we call and Paulino instead of the local

785
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:47,930
priest right so so this was the

786
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:50,180
situation then in which I had to revise

787
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:53,060
you know that there are intelligences

788
00:42:00,460 --> 00:41:57,140
that are you know responding to what we

789
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:00,470
how we respond to them or what we might

790
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:04,430
say and how we might treat them and it

791
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:07,310
was almost an awakening of sorts because

792
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:10,930
then house after house that we

793
00:42:16,930 --> 00:42:14,150
investigated it seemed like a door had

794
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:16,940
been opened where we would hear were

795
00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:21,050
they they being the spiritual lack of a

796
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:23,870
better term analogy aware that brother

797
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:30,410
Brad was coming I know that's one of the

798
00:42:36,730 --> 00:42:32,320
questions you know that that give me

799
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:36,740
give me kind of a server even even still

800
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:42,890
because the people largely were unaware

801
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:47,930
on occasion an occasion one had read my

802
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:50,870
book or they'd heard of me or heard me

803
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:54,950
on coast to coast or whatever and so

804
00:43:01,780 --> 00:42:57,890
they knew who I was but most of them is

805
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:01,790
just this guy and his team that would

806
00:43:08,530 --> 00:43:04,250
come and maybe D haunt you're all sort

807
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,540
of thing but but yes sometimes I it felt

808
00:43:15,099 --> 00:43:10,160
as though

809
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:15,109
I was expected and and the various

810
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:19,250
demonstrations would seem to do lend to

811
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:24,650
that because him you and I ever since

812
00:43:32,529 --> 00:43:26,920
we've known each other witches and

813
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,539
decade no o l19 instead of doing ghost

814
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:35,359
books you had just done your first book

815
00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:40,270
on UFOs strangers right from the sky

816
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:44,150
1966 and I met you I believe it was at

817
00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:50,440
the great a Commodore hotel exactly UFO

818
00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:55,430
event that mr. Jim Mosely put on and I'm

819
00:44:01,960 --> 00:43:59,089
going to introduce a Roy Thinnes and vy

820
00:44:04,329 --> 00:44:01,970
venus landed from outer space and long

821
00:44:08,589 --> 00:44:04,339
johns showed up with paris Lamond and it

822
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:08,599
was the largest indoor a UFO conference

823
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:11,990
would attracted probably about 30,000

824
00:44:18,269 --> 00:44:14,270
people for the entire weekend

825
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:18,279
yes and we've been brothers ever since

826
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:24,470
it's much indeed but my point was we've

827
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:26,510
always said a sense of humor about

828
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,170
things right i mean what we we take

829
00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:33,200
things seriously both of us and i'm

830
00:44:41,609 --> 00:44:35,630
talking about the other Tim to I'm going

831
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:41,619
to include him baby yet but yes what we

832
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,890
we don't hang our entire existence on

833
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,319
what we may find or what may occur what

834
00:44:56,829 --> 00:44:51,680
what we may apprehend and we've always

835
00:44:58,750 --> 00:44:56,839
been able to laugh at ourselves if we

836
00:45:01,299 --> 00:44:58,760
really get flustered or really get

837
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:01,309
frightened and discussing it between us

838
00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:04,130
helps bring things back to moderation

839
00:45:11,019 --> 00:45:07,400
again and and so that kind of attitude

840
00:45:15,099 --> 00:45:11,029
I've tried to maintain all during our my

841
00:45:19,089 --> 00:45:15,109
ghost hunting days the ones with that

842
00:45:23,230 --> 00:45:19,099
we've encountered with sherry now that's

843
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:23,240
that's very interesting because sure he

844
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:23,990
never went with

845
00:45:33,580 --> 00:45:29,110
me on a ghost expedition but she herself

846
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:33,590
no she attracts girls I guess but

847
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:37,010
because we stayed in hotel rooms and we

848
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:39,560
stayed in various homes and so forth

849
00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:42,200
where the manifestations have occurred

850
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:46,040
and one particularly in Bellingham

851
00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:48,410
Washington where we were scheduled to

852
00:45:53,470 --> 00:45:49,340
give a lecture

853
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:53,480
she kept waking me or confused because

854
00:45:56,970 --> 00:45:55,220
she says what are you doing in bed but

855
00:45:59,680 --> 00:45:56,980
you're sitting over there and she

856
00:46:03,430 --> 00:45:59,690
thought she saw me sitting in a chair

857
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:03,440
and then she saw a man pacing and pacing

858
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:06,230
and pacing and then and this would freak

859
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:06,710
me out

860
00:46:15,550 --> 00:46:10,790
she's lying there in a baby's hand grabs

861
00:46:21,340 --> 00:46:15,560
her finger and she sees a baby in bed

862
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:21,350
with her and and then of course we find

863
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,910
out that our hosts because faerie really

864
00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:27,680
didn't sleep much that night and we had

865
00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:29,900
this key so I said well try to get a

866
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:31,340
little sleep I'll go down and have

867
00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:33,290
breakfast with our host and so forth and

868
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:35,720
there's a whole group there just staring

869
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:39,770
at me when I walk in and they say did

870
00:46:46,510 --> 00:46:42,710
you see it did you see and of course

871
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:46,520
this was a room in which a sorrowing

872
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:53,359
husband is yeah his wife is really dying

873
00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:54,740
in childbirth

874
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:57,950
and the baby is delivered and that's why

875
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:01,040
she that was the man she saw pacing not

876
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:03,710
I and that was the man she saw sitting

877
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:06,890
in the chair weeping not I and the

878
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:08,900
babies had grabbed her finger you know

879
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:15,010
that was the yeah very saying she was

880
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:17,740
things that was guided to her because

881
00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:21,530
sure is a great mother maybe that little

882
00:47:28,330 --> 00:47:24,470
baby wherever it exists now needed a

883
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:28,340
little mother vibration but those are

884
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:30,500
the kind of things that sure and I have

885
00:47:37,050 --> 00:47:34,130
experienced and of course I suppose in a

886
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:37,060
sense I'm a ghost magnet too and such

887
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:38,710
grew up in the haunted house and and

888
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:41,530
seen them ever since I was a kid so well

889
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:45,130
this is this is a conversation in a half

890
00:47:52,050 --> 00:47:49,180
and we welcome listeners of course to

891
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:52,060
call in whether a website regardless of

892
00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:54,190
what side of the veil they may be

893
00:48:01,230 --> 00:47:57,730
telephoning and from and we will be

894
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:01,240
right back and with our exciting show

895
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:07,050
celebrating the best night of the year

896
00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:10,500
happy Halloween everyone

897
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:25,780
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898
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:30,290
explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride

899
00:48:36,020 --> 00:48:32,750
into the world of the paranormal

900
00:48:40,330 --> 00:48:36,030
strap yourself in as we traverse the

901
00:48:43,450 --> 00:48:40,340
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

902
00:48:45,830 --> 00:48:43,460
ghosts Lost Worlds

903
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:45,840
cryptozoology as well as other

904
00:48:54,830 --> 00:48:49,680
dimensions it's time to take back the

905
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:54,840
night now your electrifying hosts of

906
00:49:02,570 --> 00:48:57,930
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

907
00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:02,580
team sports and welcome back to

908
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:05,100
exploring the bizarre I'm Tim Swardson

909
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:07,560
tonight we're talking with Brad Steiger

910
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:09,330
and Samantha Scarlett

911
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:15,570
so now Samantha we've heard a scary true

912
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:17,130
story from Brad what about yourself

913
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:20,490
anything happened to you I've had a lot

914
00:49:26,570 --> 00:49:24,270
of experiences with ghosts or what I

915
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,580
think are ghosts but I'm not like

916
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:28,500
convinced yeah I know that sounds crazy

917
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,230
but yeah I don't even know where to

918
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:33,180
start I guess I'll just so once it

919
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,680
happened in hotels because then maybe

920
00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:36,480
like other people can go and experience

921
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:38,820
for themselves so the one of like the

922
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:40,920
first time where I was at a hotel where

923
00:49:46,340 --> 00:49:43,500
it seems to be haunted was when I was 17

924
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:46,350
so like 10 years ago for fourth of July

925
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:48,690
my mom and I went for two weeks to the

926
00:49:53,090 --> 00:49:50,670
Coronado del hotel II and the big

927
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:53,100
Victorian that's known to be haunted but

928
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:54,840
we actually didn't even stay in the

929
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:56,700
original hotel they have newer buildings

930
00:50:00,380 --> 00:49:58,740
I think we're built in the 70s or 80s

931
00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:00,390
maybe even 90s I mean they're pretty

932
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:03,870
pretty new that are next to the hotel

933
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:06,450
and the newer section is built over

934
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:08,580
where I guess back in the 1800s when the

935
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:10,380
hotel first opened

936
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,690
obviously the hotel del was for the

937
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:15,060
ultra-rich but if people who are like

938
00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:16,410
you know middle-class who couldn't

939
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,360
afford to stay in the hotel they had

940
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:20,460
next to it there was like campgrounds

941
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:21,870
that were on the hotel grounds I guess

942
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:24,030
you could use the hotel like amenities

943
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:26,550
just have a hotel room so we where we

944
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:28,470
were saying was built over these camp

945
00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:32,670
old campgrounds and the first night we

946
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:34,620
got there I guess there was like I mean

947
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:35,880
it's been 10 years they're really good

948
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:37,530
nominees were like the sound on the TV

949
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:39,060
would go up and down

950
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:40,950
and like the one day I was in the

951
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:43,800
bathroom and I was flat ironing my hair

952
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:46,380
and I had a CD on the CD player this is

953
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:48,390
back when everyone still had CDs and

954
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:51,330
like all of a sudden the sound on the CD

955
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,130
player like it changed I think I can't

956
00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:54,480
remember if I went up or down but it

957
00:50:58,580 --> 00:50:55,830
went like it's spiked like

958
00:51:01,280 --> 00:50:58,590
off-the-charts and then switch songs on

959
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:01,290
its own like it was just bizarre and in

960
00:51:05,810 --> 00:51:02,850
the middle of that trip because I was

961
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,820
like 17 I loved Fall Out Boy I I made my

962
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:07,680
mom take me to this thing it was for the

963
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:09,000
Fall Out Boy fan club where you had to

964
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:10,950
check out we had to check out the hotel

965
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:12,990
and it was like a two-day thing where

966
00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:14,520
you stayed with like the fallout was

967
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,080
like a convention so I went to this Fall

968
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:18,000
Out Boy convention thing and then we

969
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:20,280
went back to the hotel del and I was

970
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:22,230
like you know mom I really really really

971
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:23,640
want to stay in the old section the

972
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:25,830
Victorian section can we do it she's

973
00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:28,050
like fine Samantha you go take care of

974
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:30,270
checking in I'm going to the beach so I

975
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:32,790
check into this room in the old section

976
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,590
it was oceanfront our other room had

977
00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:37,200
been oceanfront and we get I get into

978
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:39,840
the room and it just felt really creepy

979
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:41,790
unlike the guy who was the belt cop he

980
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:43,230
even said to me are you sure you want to

981
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:45,810
stay in this room I don't know I'm fine

982
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,610
no I was like I'm fine it wasn't it

983
00:51:50,810 --> 00:51:48,960
wasn't the Kate Morgan room the Kate

984
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:50,820
Morgan room actually faces the road it's

985
00:51:54,590 --> 00:51:52,170
unlike the other side the hotel it

986
00:51:56,330 --> 00:51:54,600
wasn't any link no and haunted room and

987
00:51:58,100 --> 00:51:56,340
I just you know like that was obviously

988
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:58,110
a bad thing and like the fan or

989
00:52:01,940 --> 00:51:59,940
something in the room wasn't working and

990
00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:01,950
they had to send up some like tech

991
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,590
engineer to like fix that and the way

992
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:06,240
that the room was set up because when

993
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:08,130
the hotel was built in like the 1880s

994
00:52:11,570 --> 00:52:10,260
they didn't have internal plumbing so

995
00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:11,580
like the whole you know it's like a

996
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:13,560
narrow room and then in the center of

997
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:14,730
the room there's like a bathroom that

998
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:16,050
juts out so there's like a bedroom

999
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:18,510
bathroom sitting room and like a tiny

1000
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:20,310
little breezeway so I hadn't showered

1001
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,990
that morning because I got up really

1002
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,400
early to leave the Fall Out Boy

1003
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:24,960
Convention which is not like a Holiday

1004
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,210
Inn and I was just skiing out and I was

1005
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:29,220
like okay I'll shower in the room so I

1006
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,020
go and I take her I take a shower in

1007
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:34,140
this bathroom in the Dell and the

1008
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:37,980
curtains in this dingy like like in the

1009
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,510
duct everything the lighting wasn't that

1010
00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:41,940
great and you know this is 2007 in a

1011
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:43,350
five-star hotel the lighting wasn't that

1012
00:52:50,060 --> 00:52:45,930
great the shower curtains were blowing

1013
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:50,070
it freaked me out like I so then like

1014
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:51,390
after I got out of the shower I took a

1015
00:52:55,460 --> 00:52:52,680
picture on the door with my

1016
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:55,470
digital camera of the hotel map you know

1017
00:52:58,460 --> 00:52:56,910
they have four fires so I could show my

1018
00:53:00,200 --> 00:52:58,470
friends like oh this is how far I am

1019
00:53:01,490 --> 00:53:00,210
from the Kate Morgan room the haunted

1020
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:01,500
room and I took like two pictures in

1021
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:03,300
there and then I went to my computer and

1022
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:05,849
I imported the pictures now I had on

1023
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,250
that same camera and it was like a $800

1024
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,680
Canon point-and-click camera that gotten

1025
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,480
for my birthday that year I had like

1026
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:14,460
several hundred pictures I had taken the

1027
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:15,930
day before at the Fall Out Boy concert

1028
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:17,849
and that's this year the San Diego Zoo

1029
00:53:22,339 --> 00:53:20,280
with Fall Out Boy and all those pictures

1030
00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:22,349
came out all my fall Out Boy pictures

1031
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,390
with hair on the computer the two

1032
00:53:29,059 --> 00:53:25,920
pictures I took in the hotel room came

1033
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:29,069
up corrupted so my mom comes up from the

1034
00:53:32,180 --> 00:53:30,510
beach and she comes into the room and

1035
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:32,190
she's just like as soon as she got in

1036
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:33,240
there she's like we're not staying in

1037
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:35,400
this room like she just felt this

1038
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:37,380
terrible vibe so we checked out of that

1039
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,660
room we went back to the new section to

1040
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,520
another oceanfront room and we had weird

1041
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:43,680
stuff in that room like when we thought

1042
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:46,470
look the light the light thing the cord

1043
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:49,319
to UM the lamp was like out of the

1044
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:51,089
socket but it was like hanging out of

1045
00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:52,260
the socket like it was really bizarre

1046
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:54,390
I'm like the last night that we were in

1047
00:53:57,289 --> 00:53:55,740
that room when we were literally when we

1048
00:53:59,059 --> 00:53:57,299
were checking out I had forgot I'd put

1049
00:54:00,980 --> 00:53:59,069
another CD and the CD player and I

1050
00:54:02,569 --> 00:54:00,990
forgot my CD and as we're checking out

1051
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:02,579
as we're taking our last bit of luggage

1052
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:04,530
out of the room the CD player came on

1053
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:07,410
like the ghost was reminding me that I

1054
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:09,720
had left my CD in the CD player and

1055
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:11,579
there's all the other stuff there like

1056
00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:13,079
the one that when we were walking at

1057
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:15,270
night by the pool by the beach I you

1058
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:16,980
know it smelt like there was perfume or

1059
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:18,630
something and then the one night when I

1060
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:20,130
wanted to go try to find the Kate Morgan

1061
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:23,010
room we got lost in the old section like

1062
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:24,930
it was terrifying it felt like it was

1063
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,660
out of like The Shining rose-red how the

1064
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:29,760
hallways were and it was just it's like

1065
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:31,530
a maze and back it was just really

1066
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:32,849
creepy back then because I don't know

1067
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:34,410
now but there was no cell phone

1068
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:36,030
reception on Coronado so you couldn't

1069
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:37,890
even call for help and it took us like

1070
00:54:43,339 --> 00:54:39,720
an hour to find our way back to the

1071
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:43,349
elevator so that was like a really

1072
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:44,970
creepy experience so like I definitely

1073
00:54:49,339 --> 00:54:46,530
think there's something at the hotel

1074
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:49,349
tell that that's haunted and then more

1075
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,140
recently at the Plaza Hotel in New York

1076
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:54,720
I've had weird stuff happen on the when

1077
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:57,690
I've stayed on the fifth floor like back

1078
00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:01,200
in December 2014 I was staying there

1079
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:03,480
with my mom actually at Christmas she

1080
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:05,430
had like bought me for Christmas

1081
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:06,470
tickets to see

1082
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:09,270
him and the Smashing Pumpkins two nights

1083
00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:12,059
in a row and we stayed over at the Plaza

1084
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:15,240
and the when we got to that room the

1085
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:17,250
first day that we were there there was

1086
00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:21,359
issues with like the the heat is like

1087
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:23,339
when we first got that night I'd put the

1088
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:25,170
heat on and that night we came back to

1089
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:26,579
the room and this is December in New

1090
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:28,650
York it was like 90 degrees in the room

1091
00:55:32,780 --> 00:55:30,660
the one week we couldn't get the heat

1092
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,790
down and my mom was like she was like

1093
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:34,980
Samantha did you like I'm like I don't

1094
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:36,750
know I like I'm really tech savvy so she

1095
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:39,839
had to call the via what's it called the

1096
00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:41,250
engineer and they couldn't figure out

1097
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:43,020
how to get the heat down like they there

1098
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:44,099
was something wrong with it like it

1099
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:46,410
would not turn down and there was like

1100
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,760
other stuff like every time she took a

1101
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:50,400
shower her shower was cold my shower was

1102
00:55:54,289 --> 00:55:53,220
normal and there was like a lot of stuff

1103
00:55:57,289 --> 00:55:54,299
that happened the second day we were

1104
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:57,299
there was really freaky because I got

1105
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:59,880
out of the shower and I noticed and I

1106
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:01,319
didn't tell my mom until we checked out

1107
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:03,150
I noticed in the hallway or like the

1108
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:05,490
entryway to the hotel room there was

1109
00:56:10,099 --> 00:56:07,770
what looked to be bleach and bloodstains

1110
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:10,109
on the carpet and that that hotel was

1111
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:12,089
renovating like 10 years ago so these

1112
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:14,040
are new car it's not like this goes back

1113
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,369
years like so their bleach stains in the

1114
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:18,960
carpet and there was just other weird

1115
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:20,910
stuff that happened on that trip like we

1116
00:56:25,789 --> 00:56:23,849
got somebody else's newspapers like they

1117
00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:25,799
it was the day that the royal family was

1118
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:28,190
visiting from England and they gave me

1119
00:56:32,539 --> 00:56:31,020
newspapers from like the UK Telegraph

1120
00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:32,549
that had the royal family stuff there's

1121
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:34,380
all these UK papers like oh that's nice

1122
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:36,030
of them that they gave me things I don't

1123
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,010
check out it like had on the thing like

1124
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,920
oh you ordered the UK Telegraph and we

1125
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:42,480
didn't order that so it was like it was

1126
00:56:46,099 --> 00:56:44,010
like as if somebody had stayed in our

1127
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,109
room right before and it was weird

1128
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:48,960
because also when we checked in that

1129
00:56:52,099 --> 00:56:50,609
there wasn't supposed to be any rooms

1130
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:52,109
available on the price range that that

1131
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:54,809
room was on and then magically we asked

1132
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:56,970
do you have any rooms at the whatever

1133
00:57:00,620 --> 00:56:58,530
level it was available and like you know

1134
00:57:03,859 --> 00:57:00,630
we have one room it just came available

1135
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:03,869
so when like I honestly can't remember

1136
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:05,250
all of it in detail but it was just

1137
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:07,500
really freaky and my mom was like do you

1138
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:09,240
think this room's hauntin like oh no and

1139
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:10,470
then when I told her about the bleach

1140
00:57:13,099 --> 00:57:11,790
scene she was freaked out and I sent the

1141
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:13,109
pictures to a friend that was a good

1142
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:15,030
mortician and she's like those look like

1143
00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:16,500
they happened within the last month

1144
00:57:22,210 --> 00:57:19,550
anywhere from 24 hours to one month

1145
00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:22,220
so fast that was on the fifth floor fast

1146
00:57:26,110 --> 00:57:24,500
forward a year later we had stayed there

1147
00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:26,120
one other time in between we were on a

1148
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:28,460
different floor I'm going to an event in

1149
00:57:32,110 --> 00:57:30,110
New York and my mom and my assistant

1150
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:32,120
stay with me in this room on the fifth

1151
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:35,570
floor and I got back from this event at

1152
00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:37,880
like 4:00 in the morning and I come into

1153
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:39,380
the room and I'm telling them about the

1154
00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:41,420
event and all of a sudden we hear this

1155
00:57:46,540 --> 00:57:44,300
loud banging on one of them one of the

1156
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:46,550
walls like to the east and it's like so

1157
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:48,560
loud like I can't even explain it sound

1158
00:57:52,330 --> 00:57:50,930
like the hotel was collapsing and my

1159
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,340
assistant went out into the hallway and

1160
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:55,040
there was a night like patrol like

1161
00:57:59,110 --> 00:57:56,690
security doing a night patrol I'm the

1162
00:58:00,910 --> 00:57:59,120
guy he was like terrified he was like

1163
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:00,920
what I'm gonna try and see what happened

1164
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:03,530
what that was so then like ten minutes

1165
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:06,830
later there was another loud banging but

1166
00:58:10,510 --> 00:58:08,510
it came from the opposite direction and

1167
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:10,520
it was just really freaking both times

1168
00:58:13,810 --> 00:58:12,170
that I have these weird experiences at

1169
00:58:15,730 --> 00:58:13,820
the hotel it was on the fifth floor and

1170
00:58:17,350 --> 00:58:15,740
if you look into the hotel's history

1171
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:17,360
when the hotel was first built like

1172
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:18,950
during the construction one of the

1173
00:58:22,420 --> 00:58:20,450
construction workers was murdered and

1174
00:58:24,580 --> 00:58:22,430
his body fell to the fifth floor and

1175
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,590
then there was also the Woolworths

1176
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:26,720
heiress Edna Hutton commits suicide on

1177
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:29,150
the fifth floor so don't ever stand the

1178
00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:30,470
fifth floor of the Plaza Hotel in New

1179
00:58:46,570 --> 00:58:40,340
York I guess not Department is sending

1180
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:46,580
is an email right now all the time but

1181
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:48,080
don't stay on the fifth floor unless

1182
00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:50,330
you're looking for ghosts well you know

1183
00:58:59,260 --> 00:58:54,140
it's it seems that hotels have gotten a

1184
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,270
mighty reputation in recent years I

1185
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:01,520
don't know maybe it started with the

1186
00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:07,850
shining of being yeah being haunted I

1187
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:11,270
don't know and every every ghost club in

1188
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:12,950
America it seems to me they're always

1189
00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:15,680
inviting people down to their a weekend

1190
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:18,830
event at some local hotel you know of

1191
00:59:26,810 --> 00:59:22,490
course I say that the hotel

1192
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:26,820
Colorado od I'm the Stanley yeah well no

1193
00:59:33,290 --> 00:59:29,430
no this is the the one in that Glenwood

1194
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:33,300
Springs Colorado which is about maybe 40

1195
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:35,970
miles from my Aspen and there are all

1196
00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:40,410
kinds of haunted stories little ghosts I

1197
00:59:46,310 --> 00:59:42,840
guess there was a maybe someone had

1198
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,320
committed a suicide there you know a

1199
00:59:51,590 --> 00:59:48,720
hundred years ago or so and they

1200
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:51,600
actually the guests are welcome to

1201
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:53,850
congregate in the lobby at midnight to

1202
00:59:59,600 --> 00:59:57,900
go on a little ghost tour so you never

1203
01:00:01,610 --> 00:59:59,610
you never know when you're going to run

1204
01:00:04,790 --> 01:00:01,620
into it's funny you know when I was

1205
01:00:07,730 --> 01:00:04,800
growing up a ghost had such a I was

1206
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:07,740
gonna say negative connotation not just

1207
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:12,960
in the sense that of being something you

1208
01:00:21,260 --> 01:00:17,910
know who particularly a ghoulish or

1209
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:21,270
whatever but they were often associated

1210
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:22,770
well if you were going to believe in

1211
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:25,470
ghosts at all the thinking of the day I

1212
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:29,010
guess maybe because my dad was a Baptist

1213
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:34,890
was that it had to be you know of a from

1214
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:36,420
hell I mean it was something that the

1215
01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:40,950
devil was responsible for now you know

1216
01:00:45,260 --> 01:00:42,750
in our own case and I think I told this

1217
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:45,270
story I remember one time on

1218
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:48,210
coast-to-coast and George Noory was kind

1219
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:51,210
of I guess that I had the family had to

1220
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:52,770
experience and I guess I had never

1221
01:00:59,390 --> 01:00:56,760
mentioned it before that my grandfather

1222
01:01:02,860 --> 01:00:59,400
on my father's side of the family they

1223
01:01:06,110 --> 01:01:02,870
came from a small town in Kentucky

1224
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:06,120
Shelbyville which is the famous course

1225
01:01:14,980 --> 01:01:08,130
for Colonel Sanders that was where he

1226
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:14,990
opened his first KFC and my grandfather

1227
01:01:22,930 --> 01:01:17,720
apparently had some sort of experience

1228
01:01:28,460 --> 01:01:22,940
where he had seen a headless ghost Minh

1229
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:28,470
cavalry writer and back of the and back

1230
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,940
of the barn one night and I guess this

1231
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:35,040
was a we had figured out

1232
01:01:41,470 --> 01:01:36,930
somebody had mentioned from the family

1233
01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:41,480
that it was the ghost of a Confederate

1234
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:44,430
war a soldier who had lost I guess had

1235
01:01:50,780 --> 01:01:48,720
his head decapitated by cannon ball but

1236
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:50,790
he would never he would never talk about

1237
01:01:55,820 --> 01:01:52,770
the experience I think he mentioned it

1238
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:55,830
to my dad once and and and said he never

1239
01:02:00,140 --> 01:01:57,570
wanted to speak about it and he never

1240
01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:00,150
did but I think it was because of his

1241
01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:02,940
connection to the to the church here

1242
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:06,740
more than than anything anything else

1243
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:09,480
but you know if bread has there been a

1244
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:12,780
preponderance of cases where headless

1245
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:16,110
horseman had been seen yes that's not

1246
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:17,730
that you had mentioned this to me before

1247
01:02:25,850 --> 01:02:21,170
in fact I think I even used it in a book

1248
01:02:30,410 --> 01:02:25,860
of the earlier sighting it's obviously

1249
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:30,420
oh excuse me in my opinion it has to be

1250
01:02:39,550 --> 01:02:35,880
symbolic oh and you're seeing an entity

1251
01:02:42,620 --> 01:02:39,560
you're seeing a force but without a head

1252
01:02:45,790 --> 01:02:42,630
what does that tell you this doesn't

1253
01:02:50,060 --> 01:02:45,800
have any direction this doesn't have any

1254
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:50,070
plan or really purpose other than to

1255
01:02:56,330 --> 01:02:53,940
alert you that there is something beyond

1256
01:02:59,300 --> 01:02:56,340
what you experience in your everyday

1257
01:03:01,790 --> 01:02:59,310
life and that there's not you know that

1258
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:01,800
whether it's another dimension whether

1259
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:05,430
it's entities from from another time and

1260
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:08,760
space but contact has been made and

1261
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:13,290
certainly you know your grandfather he

1262
01:03:19,690 --> 01:03:16,680
obviously told the family and you've

1263
01:03:22,490 --> 01:03:19,700
been having sightings and you've had

1264
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:22,500
mysterious experiences well you know my

1265
01:03:29,630 --> 01:03:25,290
ever since you're a little boy well my

1266
01:03:33,590 --> 01:03:29,640
me mysterious experiences now seemed to

1267
01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:33,600
center dramatically on synchronicities

1268
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:36,030
you know I just did this book about

1269
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:41,220
Phillip K a dick he believed that that

1270
01:03:48,020 --> 01:03:43,710
we were actually well you're in the book

1271
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:48,030
I mean what am i did about this but most

1272
01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:48,990
people are are

1273
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,200
prize actually to find out that he

1274
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:54,000
thought he might have actually been a

1275
01:04:01,090 --> 01:03:58,140
star child mm-hmm which is why he wrote

1276
01:04:03,830 --> 01:04:01,100
which is why he began to read to me oh

1277
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:03,840
and how did that how did that come about

1278
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:15,090
oh he was going to the dentist and he

1279
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:17,910
had received something that would ease

1280
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:18,930
the pain

1281
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:22,020
whatever shot it may have been and while

1282
01:04:30,070 --> 01:04:25,740
he was in this altered state and having

1283
01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:30,080
his tooth worked on he saw a picture of

1284
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:36,180
my book the divine fire and then an

1285
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:39,540
entity a female into the fabulous book

1286
01:04:47,060 --> 01:04:43,410
put away what is the best thank you

1287
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:47,070
he saw then an entity which he

1288
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:54,000
associated with revelation and she said

1289
01:05:01,400 --> 01:04:56,670
you know you will find answers in this

1290
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:01,410
book so as soon as he recovered from the

1291
01:05:05,570 --> 01:05:03,420
dentist he went to a bookstore and

1292
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:05,580
bought revelation the divine fire and

1293
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:09,240
read it and then he before he wrote to

1294
01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:11,310
me he read the star people

1295
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:14,550
and then he wrote and said my name is

1296
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:17,190
Philip dick you may not have heard of me

1297
01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:20,040
I'm I write science fiction stories well

1298
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:22,590
of course I heard a Philip Kate and and

1299
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:24,450
every and everybody's heard of him now

1300
01:05:33,020 --> 01:05:27,330
if you're right right right right

1301
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:33,030
and as I said we correspondent regularly

1302
01:05:39,050 --> 01:05:36,180
over the phone and of course writing we

1303
01:05:42,020 --> 01:05:39,060
didn't have the wonderful internet to go

1304
01:05:45,290 --> 01:05:42,030
back and forth at that time but sending

1305
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:45,300
letters and and telephone calls and he

1306
01:05:51,859 --> 01:05:48,330
had just seen the movie that's been

1307
01:05:54,050 --> 01:05:51,869
remade now a second time I don't know if

1308
01:05:58,700 --> 01:05:54,060
he would have approved of the remake or

1309
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:58,710
not and I never really heard he said I'm

1310
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:01,440
going no this is this has happened to be

1311
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:02,490
so many

1312
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:06,090
in my life I where someone writes to me

1313
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:09,990
and says I'm going to the studio I'm

1314
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:13,470
going to see a rough cut and then I'll

1315
01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:15,930
tell you about it he says and I want to

1316
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:18,060
come over to Phoenix where we were

1317
01:06:23,420 --> 01:06:20,280
living then he says I want to come over

1318
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:23,430
to Phoenix and discuss it with you well

1319
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:26,130
he saw the movie told me he had landed

1320
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:28,730
he's getting ready to pack up and come

1321
01:06:39,010 --> 01:06:35,490
and then he passed away so this has

1322
01:06:44,750 --> 01:06:39,020
happened with a number of well leaders

1323
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:44,760
by a coincidence next week Tessa a dick

1324
01:06:51,859 --> 01:06:49,200
will be a guest on the and of course

1325
01:06:56,260 --> 01:06:51,869
she's written several books of her own

1326
01:06:59,060 --> 01:06:56,270
and yes he's did the introduction to the

1327
01:07:02,420 --> 01:06:59,070
mind control matrix of Phillip cage I

1328
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:02,430
was pleased to see there well III think

1329
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:05,030
of all the books that I've done in

1330
01:07:13,820 --> 01:07:09,720
recent times of all out of the 285 oh

1331
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:13,830
yeah I would believe that I I would

1332
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:16,590
believe that that would be my my best

1333
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:19,290
self study certainly it has to be one of

1334
01:07:24,590 --> 01:07:21,630
the most thorough ones on synchronicity

1335
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:24,600
I mean you know I I'm bored by when

1336
01:07:28,310 --> 01:07:26,609
people say oh synchronicity yes I

1337
01:07:30,050 --> 01:07:28,320
thought of so-and-so and they called on

1338
01:07:32,810 --> 01:07:30,060
the telephone the next day I hadn't seen

1339
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:32,820
him in yeah right so what is some guy on

1340
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,210
some guy on YouTube says oh

1341
01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:38,400
synchronicity you know I I had a I had a

1342
01:07:42,859 --> 01:07:40,470
girlfriend and I hadn't seen her and

1343
01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:42,869
then I ran into her in the street and

1344
01:07:48,980 --> 01:07:44,760
because I had been thinking about it or

1345
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:48,990
something like that yeah but I mean or

1346
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,390
you wake up and you see four four four I

1347
01:07:57,140 --> 01:07:53,280
don't even understand the significance

1348
01:07:58,880 --> 01:07:57,150
of that to be - really - I mean I have

1349
01:08:01,730 --> 01:07:58,890
weird things happened to me like a you

1350
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:01,740
know I meet with the former librarian of

1351
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:03,210
the area for them in a research

1352
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:05,970
organization a group that's been out of

1353
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:10,170
existence for what 25 years later and

1354
01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:12,390
then I Drive down to Sedona where nobody

1355
01:08:16,220 --> 01:08:14,340
even knows that I'm going and we come

1356
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:16,230
out of the coffee shop and

1357
01:08:24,650 --> 01:08:20,970
versus part a an automobile with the

1358
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:24,660
license plate a pro on it I know they

1359
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:26,279
knew you were coming nobody knew I was

1360
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:30,420
coming even if they didn't know we were

1361
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,930
coming

1362
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,600
what were we driving I don't even know

1363
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:35,600
we were driving because it wasn't my

1364
01:08:40,670 --> 01:08:37,799
vehicle you know I mean he could have

1365
01:08:42,860 --> 01:08:40,680
been parked in the the back lot but they

1366
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:42,870
were parked right next to us of the in

1367
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,440
space I mean that plate that place is

1368
01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:48,480
just darn right spooky down there in

1369
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:51,299
Sedona I mean we've had a couple of

1370
01:08:57,620 --> 01:08:53,640
things happen and it just don't sit

1371
01:09:01,220 --> 01:08:57,630
right well I've paid you tribute a

1372
01:09:07,099 --> 01:09:01,230
number of times because you have kept so

1373
01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:07,109
many volumes of historical and spiritual

1374
01:09:13,999 --> 01:09:11,339
value you've kept them alive the present

1375
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:14,009
generation wouldn't even have heard of

1376
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:17,790
them without intimacy I'm still not sure

1377
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:20,880
that they have well but you've got it

1378
01:09:30,499 --> 01:09:23,819
there now your your book with Phil okay

1379
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,509
dick is certainly self revelatory if no

1380
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:32,580
one had ever heard of you

1381
01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:35,759
which I can't imagine but let's say

1382
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:39,140
there is no way there is such a person

1383
01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:41,730
he wouldn't have to know what you've

1384
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:45,299
done and what you going to do but

1385
01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:48,900
reading that book is like an adventure I

1386
01:09:55,310 --> 01:09:51,390
mean that this at this point I would say

1387
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:55,320
that's your masterpiece kid I would IIIi

1388
01:10:09,610 --> 01:09:57,480
agree with you 100%

1389
01:10:32,629 --> 01:10:24,350
that's right Tim I totally agree what

1390
01:10:42,029 --> 01:10:35,100
how many books have you actually written

1391
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:42,039
to you now you know I think you know not

1392
01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:45,249
many people don't know that I've ghosted

1393
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:49,900
the number of books some further once in

1394
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:51,610
a while somebody will ask me about that

1395
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:55,510
and you don't recognize I can't I am

1396
01:11:03,540 --> 01:10:58,719
under strict contract because many of

1397
01:11:08,629 --> 01:11:03,550
them happen to be movie stars and the

1398
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:08,639
contract I signed in one situation this

1399
01:11:19,109 --> 01:11:13,030
well-known actor had written a script

1400
01:11:21,029 --> 01:11:19,119
and he presented it and they said yeah

1401
01:11:23,729 --> 01:11:21,039
we really like this so to make a movie

1402
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:23,739
but you know the custom is now at least

1403
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:25,690
at that time you know we only have a

1404
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:28,570
movie like this come out we have a book

1405
01:11:35,009 --> 01:11:32,110
to go along with it and he says to him

1406
01:11:37,529 --> 01:11:35,019
do you have such a book and he says yeah

1407
01:11:39,839 --> 01:11:37,539
I have such a book I hear they're

1408
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:39,849
starting up there so I better not I'll

1409
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:41,590
have to interrupt you here so we can go

1410
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:43,449
to our break we'll be right back

1411
01:11:49,410 --> 01:11:46,840
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1412
01:11:52,410 --> 01:11:49,420
two of the most electrifying researchers

1413
01:12:04,010 --> 01:11:52,420
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1414
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:10,080
boy

1415
01:12:10,090 --> 01:12:16,000
[Music]

1416
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:19,930
[Applause]

1417
01:12:19,940 --> 01:13:07,340
[Music]

1418
01:13:12,450 --> 01:13:10,260
all right welcome back to exploring the

1419
01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:12,460
bizarre and Samantha what was the name

1420
01:13:21,710 --> 01:13:14,200
of that song that we just heard that was

1421
01:13:33,930 --> 01:13:29,700
are their album everything's on like

1422
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:33,940
Spotify title iTunes Amazon did this for

1423
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:41,230
you yeah anyway what what what's your

1424
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:44,770
inspiration for a song um I just depends

1425
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:46,210
that song was written about an

1426
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:49,780
ex-boyfriend and actually the originally

1427
01:13:53,420 --> 01:13:51,670
the instrumental part of that I wrote

1428
01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:53,430
different lyrics - I wrote the

1429
01:13:59,640 --> 01:13:57,430
instrumental probably in like 2010 2011

1430
01:14:01,770 --> 01:13:59,650
and it was some song where I was

1431
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:01,780
actually like was like watching Marie

1432
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:03,850
Antoinette or one of those things and it

1433
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:05,710
was like let them eat cake was the

1434
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:07,690
original lyrics about song were like let

1435
01:14:12,330 --> 01:14:10,630
them eat cake she said that mistake cost

1436
01:14:16,590 --> 01:14:12,340
her head or something but then when I

1437
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:16,600
was reading demos to do for my violin

1438
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:18,340
played silent ends all my rewrote the

1439
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:21,390
lyrics and wrote them about my

1440
01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:34,200
that's how that song came to be and that

1441
01:14:39,450 --> 01:14:37,630
song was produced by hilly hill yzma who

1442
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:39,460
has produced like half the albums for

1443
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:42,070
the band him who were really popular in

1444
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:45,310
like the goth rock kind of metal genre

1445
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:48,160
so yeah I guess that's not I mean like

1446
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:50,050
that the stuff on violent elites violent

1447
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:52,540
ends actually has probably as much of a

1448
01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:54,520
goth or metal vibe as I will ever do

1449
01:14:59,220 --> 01:14:56,830
just because hilly produced like five of

1450
01:15:01,740 --> 01:14:59,230
the song so they definitely have a hilly

1451
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:01,750
sound to them whereas anything else I've

1452
01:15:05,310 --> 01:15:03,610
done like page six I did with Justin

1453
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:05,320
Salter and that's mostly just like my

1454
01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:09,250
complete vibe of all rock or New Wave no

1455
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:13,390
how would you say your influences have

1456
01:15:17,660 --> 01:15:15,480
changed or have they I mean have you

1457
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:17,670
gone off in a different direction

1458
01:15:20,879 --> 01:15:20,140
musically since when you started your

1459
01:15:24,299 --> 01:15:20,889
career

1460
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,309
um you know with my stuff I've always

1461
01:15:28,739 --> 01:15:26,800
had the same influences like I like I've

1462
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:28,749
said like with the violet violet ends

1463
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:30,159
album it definitely had a different vibe

1464
01:15:35,279 --> 01:15:32,409
because I did it with Haley and Haley is

1465
01:15:38,729 --> 01:15:35,289
like known for like this goth rock metal

1466
01:15:41,879 --> 01:15:38,739
sound but like my other stuff is very

1467
01:15:43,469 --> 01:15:41,889
similar like I feel like if you listen

1468
01:15:45,089 --> 01:15:43,479
to page six and then you listen to into

1469
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:45,099
the darkness because I did those two

1470
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:47,169
just insulter those kind of sound more

1471
01:15:52,049 --> 01:15:50,169
like they go together than the stuff on

1472
01:15:53,250 --> 01:15:52,059
violent alights violent and so though

1473
01:15:54,839 --> 01:15:53,260
people say that they hear they're all

1474
01:15:56,639 --> 01:15:54,849
rock influenced on violence lights

1475
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:56,649
violent ends I personally don't hear

1476
01:16:01,379 --> 01:15:58,570
that I hear more like this goth sound

1477
01:16:05,729 --> 01:16:01,389
whereas page six it's more evident like

1478
01:16:09,929 --> 01:16:05,739
that I was inspired by alternative but I

1479
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:09,939
don't know well now when you say

1480
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:12,010
alternative that's kind of always

1481
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:15,369
confused me as far as music goes how how

1482
01:16:20,459 --> 01:16:17,320
would you do I mean I know what heavy

1483
01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:20,469
metal is I guess yeah when I say I'll

1484
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:22,030
turn in Brock I know it's like a broad

1485
01:16:25,649 --> 01:16:24,159
spectrum I guess when I think of like

1486
01:16:29,489 --> 01:16:25,659
alternative rock I think of like

1487
01:16:34,109 --> 01:16:29,499
Smashing Pumpkins Jane's Addiction Pearl

1488
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:34,119
Jam Nirvana like well it's like Stone

1489
01:16:37,949 --> 01:16:36,130
Temple Pilots Bush I just think it like

1490
01:16:40,049 --> 01:16:37,959
the early 90s stuff I guess a lot of

1491
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:40,059
that's also grunge but I just think of

1492
01:16:45,209 --> 01:16:43,449
like early 90s rock is being like all

1493
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:45,219
rock I mean there's newer alternative

1494
01:16:51,719 --> 01:16:47,409
rock like the Silversun Pickups would be

1495
01:16:53,939 --> 01:16:51,729
like current alternative rock it's it's

1496
01:16:55,770 --> 01:16:53,949
such a like broad spectrum now like

1497
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,780
especially with the internet everything

1498
01:17:00,179 --> 01:16:57,760
it's hard to classify a lot of stuff

1499
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:00,189
like Lana Del Rey could kind of fall

1500
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:02,050
into like being a rock and then she

1501
01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:03,550
could be fall into being pop it's kind

1502
01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:05,380
of like hard to really define things

1503
01:17:08,669 --> 01:17:05,860
these days

1504
01:17:10,469 --> 01:17:08,679
yeah when when the bread and I would go

1505
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:10,479
to see Buddy Rich we know who we were

1506
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:16,719
going to see I in fact I remember bread

1507
01:17:24,690 --> 01:17:20,110
I was you know uh Buddy Rich was a

1508
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:24,700
famous drummer and he had a

1509
01:17:29,980 --> 01:17:27,530
interest in UFOs in fact I guess he had

1510
01:17:33,130 --> 01:17:29,990
a couple of sightings out there in Las

1511
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:33,140
Vegas and like anybody on the west coast

1512
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:34,880
has sightings though like when I lived

1513
01:17:38,770 --> 01:17:37,280
in Phoenix I had sightings well you know

1514
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:38,780
yeah well you know that people have had

1515
01:17:43,420 --> 01:17:41,030
I've had people tell me stories here and

1516
01:17:45,340 --> 01:17:43,430
we've had guests on the program where

1517
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:45,350
these objects were dead they lived on

1518
01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:48,290
29th Street at 28th Street you know off

1519
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:50,840
of 3rd Avenue and these things on July

1520
01:17:56,350 --> 01:17:54,320
4th will come down and press the gala

1521
01:17:59,200 --> 01:17:56,360
almost down to the you know down to the

1522
01:18:02,200 --> 01:17:59,210
rooftop and then people would go up to

1523
01:18:04,750 --> 01:18:02,210
Pine Bush which is about an hour and a

1524
01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:04,760
half from here and have some all kinds

1525
01:18:12,850 --> 01:18:08,360
of pretty weird stories and abductions

1526
01:18:16,540 --> 01:18:12,860
and we had Bruce Cornett I remember Tim

1527
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:16,550
but uh six months ago maybe and yeah he

1528
01:18:20,860 --> 01:18:18,290
told about all these weird things that

1529
01:18:22,270 --> 01:18:20,870
he and Alan crystal had had seen up

1530
01:18:25,150 --> 01:18:22,280
there and they were taking they were

1531
01:18:28,210 --> 01:18:25,160
taking videotapes of these you know I'm

1532
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:28,220
just coming down and the of course the

1533
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:32,570
town now Brad celebrates UFO a day

1534
01:18:38,610 --> 01:18:36,560
during the the summer and has little UFO

1535
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,620
speeches Travis Walton was there and

1536
01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:41,120
Peter Robbins of course he lives nearby

1537
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:44,300
and a Linda Zimmerman who's one of our

1538
01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:47,570
favorite guests she's the big authority

1539
01:18:54,130 --> 01:18:52,070
on the Hudson Valley boomerang that

1540
01:19:03,310 --> 01:18:54,140
attracted so much attention back in the

1541
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:03,320
oh I guess early mid 1980s oh yeah all I

1542
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:05,330
know is I feel like all the stuff in on

1543
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:07,130
the West Kara so maybe not all of it but

1544
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:10,640
a lot of it I feel like is military test

1545
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:12,710
craft because when I lived in Scottsdale

1546
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:14,450
Arizona which is a suburb of Phoenix I

1547
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:17,120
would see stuff like almost once a year

1548
01:19:22,090 --> 01:19:19,130
I'd have a sighting of something but

1549
01:19:24,700 --> 01:19:22,100
with the exception of one case where I

1550
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:24,710
was like out walking at like 3:00 in the

1551
01:19:29,890 --> 01:19:27,710
morning in 2005 and I saw this weird

1552
01:19:32,230 --> 01:19:29,900
like gasoline looking object in the sky

1553
01:19:37,150 --> 01:19:32,240
that like disintegrated everything else

1554
01:19:37,839 --> 01:19:37,160
you know it kind of like steampunk no it

1555
01:19:39,489 --> 01:19:37,849
was it's hard

1556
01:19:42,009 --> 01:19:39,499
explain when I saw it was like this is

1557
01:19:44,649 --> 01:19:42,019
really large object up in the sky and

1558
01:19:47,469 --> 01:19:44,659
then it kind of like disappeared into

1559
01:19:49,419 --> 01:19:47,479
like a shimmery they like type of thing

1560
01:19:51,129 --> 01:19:49,429
that can only explain that it looked

1561
01:19:52,929 --> 01:19:51,139
like gasoline but let's put this way it

1562
01:19:54,429 --> 01:19:52,939
terrified me but I ran all the way home

1563
01:19:56,469 --> 01:19:54,439
and I thought it was either a UFO or

1564
01:19:58,989 --> 01:19:56,479
that a plane had exploded and it was in

1565
01:20:02,109 --> 01:19:58,999
no plane exploded but with the exception

1566
01:20:03,580 --> 01:20:02,119
of that that was like October 2005 with

1567
01:20:05,949 --> 01:20:03,590
the exception of that everything else I

1568
01:20:08,949 --> 01:20:05,959
ever saw would like magically disappear

1569
01:20:10,419 --> 01:20:08,959
over Luke Air Force Base so hmm you're

1570
01:20:12,759 --> 01:20:10,429
seeing you're seeing like these v-shaped

1571
01:20:15,009 --> 01:20:12,769
crafts I'm like the lights blink out one

1572
01:20:17,109 --> 01:20:15,019
by one and then the final light blinks

1573
01:20:18,429 --> 01:20:17,119
out over Luke Air Force Base what am I

1574
01:20:20,529 --> 01:20:18,439
supposed to take from that are the

1575
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:20,539
aliens coming and like you know they're

1576
01:20:24,489 --> 01:20:22,369
intergalactically landing at Luke Air

1577
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:24,499
Force Base or is the US military testing

1578
01:20:28,869 --> 01:20:26,329
stuff out so that's kind of like my

1579
01:20:30,969 --> 01:20:28,879
thought on area 51 and white sands as

1580
01:20:34,330 --> 01:20:30,979
well is that these are military test

1581
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:34,340
craft and not like intergalactic travel

1582
01:20:39,849 --> 01:20:36,050
though I will say the Phoenix lights

1583
01:20:41,409 --> 01:20:39,859
that one I'm baffled by I didn't see it

1584
01:20:42,699 --> 01:20:41,419
though because I was 7 years old when

1585
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:42,709
that happened and it was a school night

1586
01:20:57,429 --> 01:20:45,289
so I was in bed well they were looking

1587
01:20:59,770 --> 01:20:57,439
for you to come back til they find you I

1588
01:21:06,369 --> 01:20:59,780
can suspend up their beat their light

1589
01:21:08,830 --> 01:21:06,379
beam yeah absolutely yes so Brad how

1590
01:21:12,729 --> 01:21:08,840
have your opinions to change that you

1591
01:21:16,029 --> 01:21:12,739
know we just reprinted the first UFO

1592
01:21:18,099 --> 01:21:16,039
book that I ever did with a little help

1593
01:21:20,379 --> 01:21:18,109
from Jerry Clark who typed the census in

1594
01:21:25,419 --> 01:21:20,389
those days and Rick Hilbert found that

1595
01:21:28,270 --> 01:21:25,429
Rick hilberg found the copy in his files

1596
01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:28,280
it was called inside the saucers and I

1597
01:21:38,469 --> 01:21:35,510
published it in 1964 and and you humbly

1598
01:21:43,869 --> 01:21:38,479
made a very nice comment about those of

1599
01:21:46,869 --> 01:21:43,879
us who started out as teen ufologist and

1600
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:46,879
and of course some of us a handful at

1601
01:21:52,459 --> 01:21:50,249
least have have kept with the

1602
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:52,469
have kept with the the subject and you

1603
01:21:59,209 --> 01:21:54,510
know going back I don't want to toot my

1604
01:22:02,649 --> 01:21:59,219
own horn honk honk but I I go back and I

1605
01:22:06,169 --> 01:22:02,659
read the that little booklet there and

1606
01:22:08,180 --> 01:22:06,179
you know it amazes me I mean some of the

1607
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:08,190
theories maybe have changed but we

1608
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:10,260
talked about Nazi UFOs and we talked

1609
01:22:17,689 --> 01:22:14,820
about by UFOs that you know submerge and

1610
01:22:19,819 --> 01:22:17,699
emerge from bodies of water there was a

1611
01:22:21,859 --> 01:22:19,829
a great case in there I don't think

1612
01:22:24,589 --> 01:22:21,869
anybody ever discusses or even knows

1613
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:24,599
about we we know about the UFO case over

1614
01:22:29,029 --> 01:22:27,300
waunakee you know new jersey where

1615
01:22:31,459 --> 01:22:29,039
police officer saw this thing and it

1616
01:22:33,620 --> 01:22:31,469
shot down a beam of light and put some

1617
01:22:37,759 --> 01:22:33,630
holes in the ice and so forth but over

1618
01:22:41,089 --> 01:22:37,769
it or Oradell reservoir this object was

1619
01:22:44,330 --> 01:22:41,099
seen you know going into the water there

1620
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:44,340
instead well this would have been the 19

1621
01:22:53,629 --> 01:22:50,729
that would have been in 1960s yeah well

1622
01:22:56,959 --> 01:22:53,639
you know the only reference

1623
01:22:59,689 --> 01:22:56,969
well Robert Gribble who was then running

1624
01:23:02,660 --> 01:22:59,699
the national UFO Reporting Center he put

1625
01:23:05,689 --> 01:23:02,670
out a little newsletter in those days

1626
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:05,699
and he had some details in it and that I

1627
01:23:10,939 --> 01:23:07,650
see there was one little drawing that

1628
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:10,949
somebody did that was a rather crude map

1629
01:23:18,290 --> 01:23:14,630
which I might actually have drawn that's

1630
01:23:21,649 --> 01:23:18,300
on the I'm not much of an artist I can

1631
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:21,659
create visuals but I can't draw a

1632
01:23:31,489 --> 01:23:29,210
stickman well this would have been like

1633
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:31,499
fella see they're going back to the

1634
01:23:35,629 --> 01:23:34,110
beginning of time now well yeah this

1635
01:23:44,779 --> 01:23:35,639
would've well let's see the book was

1636
01:23:48,739 --> 01:23:44,789
from 1964 that I did oh geez now you got

1637
01:23:50,660 --> 01:23:48,749
me it seems to me it would have been the

1638
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:50,670
the summertime but maybe that's only

1639
01:23:59,870 --> 01:23:57,210
because I was born in in in July but you

1640
01:24:04,100 --> 01:23:59,880
know I mean the UFO activity is

1641
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:04,110
continued you know on I guess of course

1642
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:07,290
those days everybody believed in the ETH

1643
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:10,590
the extra-terrestrial and a couple of

1644
01:24:15,649 --> 01:24:13,380
people like a Jim Mosely were bamboozled

1645
01:24:17,959 --> 01:24:15,659
into thinking that the CIA were

1646
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:17,969
responsible for UFOs I always meant you

1647
01:24:21,709 --> 01:24:20,130
know I was kind of getting a laugh at

1648
01:24:24,740 --> 01:24:21,719
that because the older people were

1649
01:24:27,140 --> 01:24:24,750
seeing the CIA they you what was the you

1650
01:24:29,149 --> 01:24:27,150
plane or whatever was well that's not a

1651
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:29,159
thing it's traveling up on the edge of

1652
01:24:33,020 --> 01:24:30,000
the atmosphere

1653
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,030
nobody can hardly see that mistake it is

1654
01:24:38,330 --> 01:24:35,760
a UFO I mean we're talking about things

1655
01:24:41,540 --> 01:24:38,340
that you know were picked up on radar

1656
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,550
and I chased pilots around the sky and

1657
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:44,400
hovered over towns at noon and knocked

1658
01:24:55,729 --> 01:24:47,730
out engines and automobile engines and

1659
01:24:57,530 --> 01:24:55,739
and so forth manure a big eth man well

1660
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:57,540
at the beginning America's eleven years

1661
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:01,920
old and no as soon as I was reading the

1662
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:04,170
newspapers and my reaction was they're

1663
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:07,380
they're here they're here and I think we

1664
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,480
retained that kind of atmosphere and

1665
01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:12,719
that kind of belief certainly when we

1666
01:25:21,379 --> 01:25:15,900
met we were pretty much what they EGS at

1667
01:25:28,220 --> 01:25:21,389
that point but the more I well when I I

1668
01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:28,230
came to New York and to finish the book

1669
01:25:33,879 --> 01:25:31,350
on Rudolph Valentino they had they come

1670
01:25:39,229 --> 01:25:33,889
out they put me up in a hotel and I and

1671
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:39,239
I met then while I was there is there a

1672
01:25:44,359 --> 01:25:41,730
couple weeks finishing the book and I

1673
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:44,369
met a number of editors from different

1674
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:44,820
houses

1675
01:25:50,060 --> 01:25:47,760
well the editor de Ward books and I

1676
01:25:55,550 --> 01:25:50,070
really hit it off and he said have you

1677
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:55,560
ever done a book on UFOs and I said no

1678
01:26:02,060 --> 01:25:58,050
no but I have a really extensive file

1679
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:02,070
about UFOs and then he said well would

1680
01:26:08,090 --> 01:26:04,650
you would you like to do a book well I

1681
01:26:11,180 --> 01:26:08,100
had committed to Ivan P Sanderson whom

1682
01:26:12,259 --> 01:26:11,190
you remember with great words as I'm

1683
01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:12,269
sure

1684
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:16,980
I do and he had been after me for a year

1685
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:18,690
to do book on poltergeist

1686
01:26:23,390 --> 01:26:21,510
so that was sold and Ivan had agreed to

1687
01:26:26,569 --> 01:26:23,400
write the introduction and so forth but

1688
01:26:31,009 --> 01:26:26,579
I said yeah I'll do and I became

1689
01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:31,019
strangers in the skies it came out just

1690
01:26:37,339 --> 01:26:34,440
when dr. Hynek said you know swamp gas

1691
01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:37,349
which he never said and embarrassed him

1692
01:26:42,169 --> 01:26:39,659
all the rest of his life but in any way

1693
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:42,179
UFOs were in the paper and there

1694
01:26:47,509 --> 01:26:44,730
everywhere just when I book came out and

1695
01:26:47,959 --> 01:26:47,519
I got on the paperback bestseller in two

1696
01:26:52,509 --> 01:26:47,969
weeks

1697
01:26:56,029 --> 01:26:52,519
you know big deal of 25 cents a book

1698
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:56,039
that's what launched me and I've never

1699
01:27:00,739 --> 01:26:58,489
considered myself a ufologist but a

1700
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:00,749
phenomenologist or a psychic or

1701
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:03,300
researcher but as I traveled around the

1702
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:05,820
country then because suddenly I was an

1703
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:08,880
expert you know I had this book so I was

1704
01:27:12,859 --> 01:27:10,409
asked to this conference in that

1705
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,869
conference and everyone had a story and

1706
01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:14,639
I talked through the contact page and

1707
01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:18,840
the more I talk to them I said to myself

1708
01:27:24,140 --> 01:27:21,329
you know this is just like going through

1709
01:27:28,370 --> 01:27:24,150
a spiritualist camp which I had gone to

1710
01:27:31,489 --> 01:27:28,380
zero on my research the entities gives

1711
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:31,499
the same bromides gives the same advice

1712
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:36,690
gives the same warnings and I remember

1713
01:27:41,779 --> 01:27:39,210
talking to John keel about this and I

1714
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:41,789
said you know and he at that time you

1715
01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:45,449
know he was I think though he of course

1716
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:47,639
changed his mind from time to time but

1717
01:27:53,989 --> 01:27:50,449
but that's when he wrote his book saying

1718
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:53,999
that is it's the same old story and

1719
01:27:59,419 --> 01:27:56,639
that's you know the same entity the same

1720
01:28:04,069 --> 01:27:59,429
whomever they are and that's kind of

1721
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,079
where I've I could not do that at that

1722
01:28:10,609 --> 01:28:07,199
time because I thought there is no Dogma

1723
01:28:13,729 --> 01:28:10,619
in this research none of us know the

1724
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:13,739
final answer or even a very impressive

1725
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:16,320
answer because we keep changing our

1726
01:28:22,879 --> 01:28:20,159
minds as we keep growing but I felt then

1727
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:22,889
that I couldn't go all the way in my

1728
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:25,650
books I had to still entertain the

1729
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:29,520
that they could be from other worlds

1730
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:33,210
they could be from other now to me as

1731
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:36,480
you know in my recent books I'm sherry

1732
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:39,840
and I have emphasized the other the

1733
01:28:48,830 --> 01:28:44,970
other that may present itself in a way

1734
01:28:52,340 --> 01:28:48,840
that we can the individual recipient can

1735
01:28:55,850 --> 01:28:52,350
best understand so I started using the

1736
01:28:58,760 --> 01:28:55,860
theme back then what you are is what you

1737
01:29:01,640 --> 01:28:58,770
get what you believe is what you

1738
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:01,650
perceive and that's pretty much what I'm

1739
01:29:08,450 --> 01:29:04,730
holding now plus an enormous number of

1740
01:29:11,980 --> 01:29:08,460
personal experiences in encounters if

1741
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:11,990
you will with nothing that looks like

1742
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:15,840
beings from outer space but things that

1743
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:22,680
look like intelligence something and you

1744
01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:25,980
know this has seemed to go back all the

1745
01:29:33,860 --> 01:29:30,030
way to my childhood now having the guide

1746
01:29:37,550 --> 01:29:33,870
or having someone look over us and this

1747
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,560
doesn't fit in any religious form or any

1748
01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:40,080
religious doctrine but in a sense that

1749
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:46,190
fits and all of them and of course now

1750
01:29:50,030 --> 01:29:48,210
researchers some of them at least

1751
01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:50,040
there's still a few old-timers like a

1752
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:54,120
Stanton Friedman who hold true to the to

1753
01:30:01,730 --> 01:29:58,050
the faith and perhaps a cabinet Randall

1754
01:30:06,410 --> 01:30:01,740
and I'm sure does although he would find

1755
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:06,420
fault with never but you know and now

1756
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:08,010
researchers are even beginning to

1757
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:11,400
realize that there is a interconnection

1758
01:30:18,850 --> 01:30:16,050
between the various anomalies that the

1759
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:18,860
UFOs and Bigfoot could be connected and

1760
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:22,320
mmm that ghosts in here that's a

1761
01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:24,930
pounding in your basement might have

1762
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:27,150
landed in a spaceship across the street

1763
01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:30,540
and I guess I started to realize that

1764
01:30:37,090 --> 01:30:34,350
when as someone in my family it had an

1765
01:30:38,380 --> 01:30:37,100
experience that started out with a UFO

1766
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:38,390
you know

1767
01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:40,810
citing and all of a sudden there were

1768
01:30:45,790 --> 01:30:43,310
there was weird phenomena taking place

1769
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:45,800
in the house and in things disappearing

1770
01:30:51,820 --> 01:30:49,280
and teleporting and reappearing days

1771
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:51,830
later after they were thought to have

1772
01:30:58,180 --> 01:30:55,610
been lost the for all time we began to

1773
01:31:01,480 --> 01:30:58,190
realize that there's something more

1774
01:31:05,070 --> 01:31:01,490
going on here than just little little

1775
01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:05,080
little men from from Mars although I do

1776
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:07,910
say that every once in a while perhaps a

1777
01:31:15,150 --> 01:31:11,210
true little Kelly a humanoid might this

1778
01:31:18,850 --> 01:31:15,160
slip through the the veil and mock us

1779
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:18,860
from a short distance as they they play

1780
01:31:26,530 --> 01:31:23,840
on our roof and land in our well in fact

1781
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,540
good a good old Kelly there Brad if it

1782
01:31:32,710 --> 01:31:28,400
wasn't for the Eclipse it would be loss

1783
01:31:35,650 --> 01:31:32,720
of obscurity again for another another

1784
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:35,660
50 years I think was the night the

1785
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:40,610
anniversary the actual is and yeah yeah

1786
01:31:44,890 --> 01:31:42,320
and they expect it to make what a

1787
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:44,900
hundred million dollars or something on

1788
01:31:50,230 --> 01:31:46,130
the eclipse I don't know if they ever

1789
01:31:53,050 --> 01:31:50,240
reached that not because the Eclipse is

1790
01:31:55,540 --> 01:31:53,060
kind of a fleeting thing it's there one

1791
01:32:00,730 --> 01:31:55,550
minute and it's gone pretty much by time

1792
01:32:02,710 --> 01:32:00,740
you sneeze and turn around right ya know

1793
01:32:04,750 --> 01:32:02,720
and a very little of Eclipse that was

1794
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:04,760
seen there here and I don't think most

1795
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:07,970
people in New York really care I care

1796
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:09,530
too much they were more worried about

1797
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:11,930
what Donald Trump was doing and right

1798
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,510
and and how they're right we were

1799
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:16,880
completely clouded over so we didn't say

1800
01:32:22,780 --> 01:32:19,610
anything here but for the previous one

1801
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,790
of course area and I went to Hawaii not

1802
01:32:26,710 --> 01:32:25,040
just to see that but because we were

1803
01:32:31,780 --> 01:32:26,720
lecturing there of course that's the

1804
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:31,790
same time well I was hoping if something

1805
01:32:36,940 --> 01:32:33,520
might happen because remember they're

1806
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:36,950
down in Mexico City during a previous

1807
01:32:42,540 --> 01:32:40,850
Eclipse there had been hundreds of

1808
01:32:46,060 --> 01:32:42,550
people out in the street pointing at

1809
01:32:48,610 --> 01:32:46,070
well here you are for either the UFO or

1810
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:48,620
the planet Venus we're not can't say for

1811
01:32:54,290 --> 01:32:50,800
sure because we saw no word

1812
01:32:58,530 --> 01:32:54,300
there did you have an eye for the

1813
01:33:02,970 --> 01:32:58,540
Eclipse there Tim in Indiana oh yes yeah

1814
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:02,980
we we had about a 98% coverage of the

1815
01:33:09,380 --> 01:33:06,550
Sun where we were but no but no you had

1816
01:33:12,270 --> 01:33:09,390
no UFO sighting no nothing like that I

1817
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:12,280
was like you I was looking but you know

1818
01:33:20,370 --> 01:33:14,050
nothing never nothing fun ever happens

1819
01:33:22,050 --> 01:33:20,380
free like I had like all my curtains

1820
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:22,060
closed I couldn't be bothered by the

1821
01:33:28,650 --> 01:33:26,530
Eclipse glasses speaking it's a good

1822
01:33:32,580 --> 01:33:28,660
segue here speaking of closing the

1823
01:33:34,890 --> 01:33:32,590
curtains we're just about up to that

1824
01:33:37,140 --> 01:33:34,900
midnight hour and we'll have to say

1825
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,150
goodbye but let's go quickly around the

1826
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:39,520
table brother Brad what should people

1827
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:44,560
look for well I have these four books

1828
01:33:51,330 --> 01:33:47,290
that have just come out in Kindle part

1829
01:33:53,070 --> 01:33:51,340
of the real nightmare series and they

1830
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:53,080
are available on Kindle

1831
01:34:01,440 --> 01:33:57,730
they cover UFOs they cover ghastly

1832
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:01,450
grisly spooks and secret schemes and

1833
01:34:08,610 --> 01:34:05,040
cabal's freaks fiends and evil spirits

1834
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:08,620
surely bound to make your Halloween just

1835
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:11,080
vibrate at a reasonable price

1836
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:15,970
at a reasonable price through 22:29

1837
01:34:24,690 --> 01:34:18,730
apiece I think we're giving them away

1838
01:34:27,540 --> 01:34:24,700
these days I swear yeah how about you

1839
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:27,550
we're well go to youtube right and type

1840
01:34:33,420 --> 01:34:30,370
in your name go to thank YouTube Google

1841
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:33,430
Twitter Instagram I'm all over the web

1842
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,050
and you can check out my radio show

1843
01:34:40,890 --> 01:34:37,360
Friday's on a Joby radio at 11:00 p.m.

1844
01:34:43,530 --> 01:34:40,900
Eastern 8 p.m. Pacific and and don't we

1845
01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:43,540
we should head up the YouTube version of

1846
01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:47,080
this show and we'll have some clips on

1847
01:35:00,270 --> 01:34:49,300
there and thank you one and all thank

1848
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:05,180
[Music]

1849
01:35:11,459 --> 01:35:08,100
you've been listening to exploring the

1850
01:35:14,729 --> 01:35:11,469
bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky

1851
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:14,739
panting Swartz they're taking back the

1852
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,050
night by jetting non-stop across the

1853
01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:19,600
cosmos in search of the truly bizarre

1854
01:35:26,250 --> 01:35:22,900
and totally unexplained with you as

1855
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:26,260
their cold Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m.

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